From: [identity profile] edminster.livejournal.com


I don't think anything will come of it. And if it actually does pass, I expect a large number of otherwise eligible people to suddenly discover the joys of being openly gay. Or something else to get out of it. Never underestimate the ingenuity of people trying to get out of something.

From: [identity profile] phoenixalpha.livejournal.com


He's been going on about this for the last four years at least. At this point, it's just annoying.

From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com


Being gay would probably just get you shunted into the Obama Youth Peace Corps or a 21st century version of the CCC.

From: [identity profile] nornagest.livejournal.com


Eh, someone tries to do this every couple of years. Nothing's going to happen -- the military doesn't want it, the public doesn't want it, and most of Congress doesn't want it.

From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com


"...the military doesn't want it, the public doesn't want it, and most of Congress doesn't want it.
Two out of three ain't bad. There wasn't a lot of discussion of this during the election, but Obama and Rahm Emanuel were in favor of some kind of national service, and I can see the Donks using a draft as a means to build up a new CCC and bulk out the Peace Corps. This would remove the generals' opposition, and since when do the Congresscritters pay attention to what the public wants?

From: [identity profile] edminster.livejournal.com


That would explain how Obama expects to fill jobs when he shoves money at infrastructure improvements...

From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com


I was going to leave a comment about how public sector jobs are inherently worse than private sector jobs and therefore things like the CCC and WPA actually screw things up worse than just issuing government contracts, but I think everyone in this thread is on board with that argument already.

From: [identity profile] forexample.livejournal.com


The someone who tries every couple of years is Rangel. He's got a crusade, but not the obvious one, and he'll keep pushing it.

He's pissed that the burden of military service falls on people too poor for other options and wants the middle class to experience it as well. There may be a subtext of if the middle class parents had their children on the line wars would be less frequent.

From: [identity profile] wombat-socho.livejournal.com


Rangel is an ignorant idiot, and anyone that buys the bullshit behind his argument either hasn't done the minimal amount of research necessary to disprove it or already knows it's BS and doesn't care. The current volunteer force is largely staffed by middle-class whites and Hispanics, as far as the combat arms go; blacks and po' folks of other colors tend more toward the support services/Navy/Air Force because you can actually get a job with most of those military skills when you get out. American Indians are different; they have a cultural thing about going infantry or Marines. You can look it up.

The one socio-economic class that isn't well-represented in any branch of the military? (I'll even throw in the Coast Guard and USPHS for the sake of argument.) Yup. Upper-class white folks whose kids go to Ivy League schools. Damn few of them go into the military, even as officers in the JAG or Medical Corps.

From: [identity profile] deviantsaint.livejournal.com


it was a douche' move then, it's a douche' move now.

granted now it's a douche move AND un-fashionable.

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